Comments on: Aza’adi Special: Jinnah and the Islamic State – Setting the Record Straight http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/ An Investigation into the Life and Times of a Nation Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:05:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: YLH http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1284 YLH Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:28:06 +0000 http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1284 H V Hodson from his book "GREAT DIVIDE" has left this brilliant portrait of the quaid.. in the chapter "two great personalities" <i>Not even his political enemies ever accused Jinnah of corruption or self-seeking. He could be bought by no one, and for no price. Nor was he in the least degree a weather-cock, swinging in the wind of popularity of changing his politics to suit the chances of the times. He was a steadfast idealist as well as a man of scrupulous honour.</i> H V Hodson from his book “GREAT DIVIDE” has left this brilliant portrait of the quaid.. in the chapter “two great personalities”

Not even his political enemies ever accused Jinnah of corruption or self-seeking. He could be bought by no one, and for no price. Nor was he in the least degree a weather-cock, swinging in the wind of popularity of changing his politics to suit the chances of the times. He was a steadfast idealist as well as a man of scrupulous honour.

]]> By: YLH http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1283 YLH Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:23:23 +0000 http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1283 PS: That Ambedkar quote is about Jinnah and from Dr. Ambedkar's book "Pakistan or Partition of India" Page 323. PS: That Ambedkar quote is about Jinnah and from Dr. Ambedkar’s book “Pakistan or Partition of India” Page 323.

]]> By: YLH http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1281 YLH Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:22:07 +0000 http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1281 Dr. Ambedkar - the author of Indian Constitution- wrote : "There is no politician in India to whom the word incorruptible is more fittingly applied". Your description of a man who for 30 out of 40 years tried his best to bring Hindus and Muslims together as "cunning" is simply some sort of a deep seated bias and nothing else because anyone who reads Jinnah's history knows that he was described as the most honest of politicians even by his worst opponents including but not limited to Gandhi. Dr. Ambedkar - the author of Indian Constitution- wrote :

“There is no politician in India to whom the word incorruptible is more fittingly applied”.

Your description of a man who for 30 out of 40 years tried his best to bring Hindus and Muslims together as “cunning” is simply some sort of a deep seated bias and nothing else because anyone who reads Jinnah’s history knows that he was described as the most honest of politicians even by his worst opponents including but not limited to Gandhi.

]]> By: Maqsood http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1267 Maqsood Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:27:05 +0000 http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1267 This is called Diplomacy an inherent characteristics of shrewed and cunning person. This is also clear from his speeches and address where he always played with words. This is called Diplomacy an inherent characteristics of shrewed and cunning person.

This is also clear from his speeches and address where he always played with words.

]]> By: YLH http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1237 YLH Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:15:20 +0000 http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1237 Maqsood, I am not sure what your point is? Do you deny that 30 out of 40 years of Jinnah's career were spent trying to bring Hindus and Muslims togther? He chose to champion Pakistan most reluctantly and tried to come to an arrangement with the Congress as late as 1946. Maqsood,

I am not sure what your point is? Do you deny that 30 out of 40 years of Jinnah’s career were spent trying to bring Hindus and Muslims togther?

He chose to champion Pakistan most reluctantly and tried to come to an arrangement with the Congress as late as 1946.

]]> By: Maqsood http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1190 Maqsood Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:49:17 +0000 http://www.understandingpakistan.com/index.php/jinnah-and-the-islamic-state-setting-the-record-straight-pervez-hoodbhoy/#comment-1190 "You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the State…. You will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State" If this is what was to be achieved then why Jinnah advocated partition?. This just seems clear he was confused himself. And after 60 years later this confusion still pervails. Only things which is clear now is that he wanted a separate state where he could rule. I also find it ironical to distinguish between Muslim State and Islamic State. What do we get by twisting the meanings? “You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the State…. You will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State”

If this is what was to be achieved then why Jinnah advocated partition?. This just seems clear he was confused himself. And after 60 years later this confusion still pervails. Only things which is clear now is that he wanted a separate state where he could rule.

I also find it ironical to distinguish between Muslim State and Islamic State. What do we get by twisting the meanings?

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